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THE STONE ROSES FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS LIST
version 1.01
created 2 April 1996
updated 3 January 1996
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On 29 October 1996, The Stone Roses officially split up. Therefore, there
theoretically a finite amount of information about them available. It is
my hope to contain as much of this information as possible in this FAQ.
Please. If you have any information, send it to me. I realize that there
is still a lot missing. I want to make this as complete as possible.
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WHAT'S NEW IN THIS VERSION?
I updated the FAQ to include John's leaving and the final breakup. Some of
the omissions in this version are:
-info about current label
-known articles about the roses
-took out the random section. not enough info. to make it worthwhile
TABLE OF CONTENTS
0. General information on this FAQ
0.1 Contributors to this list
0.2 What has changed since last time?
0.3 Where can I find the lastest version of this list?
0.4 What are all the abbreviations used in this FAQ?
1. Internet Resources
1.1 The Stone Roses mailing list
1.2 World Wide Web (WWW) sites
1.3 ftp sites
1.4 Usenet newsgroup
2. The Band
2.1 Who were the members of the Stone Roses?
2.2 Where are the Stone Roses from?
2.3 Where did the name 'The Stone Roses' come from?
2.4 How old are the band members?
# 2.5 When and how did the Stone Roses break up?
# 2.6 Where are they now?
3. The Releases
3.1 What was the Stone Roses' first official release?
3.2 Where can I hear 'So Young' and 'Tell Me' without spending a lot of
money on the single?
3.3 How many albums have the Stone Roses released?
3.4 How many non-album singles have the Stone Roses released?
4. The Record Labels
4.1 What record labels have the Stone Roses been with?
4.2 What happened with FM Revolver?
4.3 What happened with Silvertone?
4.4 How is it that Silvertone are still releasing Stone Roses material?
4.5 How did Silvertone release non-Silvertone material on 'The
Complete Stone Roses?'
5. The Music
5.1 Who writes the Stone Roses' songs?
5.2 Why do some of the songs sound like they're being played backwards?
5.3 What's the strange squeak in 'Elizabeth My Dear?'
5.4 Are there any songs that sample Stone Roses music?
5.5 Are there any compilations of Stone Roses material?
5.6 What do the songs mean?
6. Other Compilations
6.1 What compilations do Stone Roses songs appear on?
7. The Artwork
7.1 Who does the artwork that appears on the Stone Roses' releases?
7.2 Where can I get John's artwork.
8. Writings
8.1 Are there any books on The Stone Roses?
8.2 Are there any book chapters on The Stone Roses?
9. One Love Story
9.1 What is One Love Story?
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0. General information on this FAQ
0.1 Contributors to this list
mike quinn (mquinn@umr.edu)
SpencerKibblewhite@research.natpower.co.uk
Eric Thompson
also thanks to all the other fans.
0.2 What has changed since last time?
New information will have a # by it in the left margin.
0.3 Where can I find the lastest version of this list?
At the time of the first release, it will only be available at
the WWW site http://www.umr.edu/~mquinn/music/stone.roses Feel
free to distribute and to put on your own web site.
0.4 What are all the abbreviations used in this FAQ?
TSR - The Stone Roses (referring to their debut album)
WTWIWF - What The World Is Waiting For
THTITW - The Hardest Thing In The World
TSLS - Ten Storey Love Song
SC - Second Coming
NME - New Musical Express
MM - Melody Maker
OLS - One Love Story
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1. Internet Resources
1.1 The Stone Roses mailing list
The Stone Roses mailing list is maintained by Eric Thompson.
To subscribe, send e-mail to
roses-list-request@lists.best.com
For the Digest list, put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message.
For the Regular list, put "subsingle" in the BODY of the message.
An archive of the digest form can be found at Eric's WWW site.
# 1.2 World Wide Web (WWW) sites
At the time of writing, there are 10 known WWW sites dedicated to
the Stone Roses. They are:
-Stone Roses Fan Headquarters (Eric Thompson)
http://www.best.com/~thompson/roses/
-John Candy's page
http://www.cm.cf.ac.uk/User/J.R.Candy/roses.html
-Geffen's page
http://geffen.com/sroses.html
-Garage Full Of Flowers (Mike Quinn)
http://www.umr.edu/~mquinn/music/stone.roses
-Gary Denham's Page
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6364/index.html
-Laurence Tratt's Page
http://yi.com/home/TrattLaurence/music/roses/index.html
-Nick's Page
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickjh/stone.htm
-John Bourdon's Page
http://www.ior.com/~jbourdon/roses.htm
-Sebio's (don't know your name) Page
http://www.dragonfire.net/~sebio/roses.htm
-XXX's Original Artwork
http://multimedia2.freac.fsu.edu/users/sharter/Waterfall.html
1.3 ftp sites
At the time of writing, there are no known ftp sites for Stone
Roses material.
1.4 Usenet newsgroup
There is a Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the Stone Roses. It is
alt.music.stone-roses. If you do not get the group, talk to your
system administrator.
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2. The Band
2.1 Who are the past members of the Stone Roses?
The members of the band were:
Ian Brown vocals (1984 - October 1996)
Andy Couzens guitar (1984 - ?)
Nigel Ipinson keyboard (1995 - October 1996)
Robbie Maddix drums (1995 - October 1996)
Gary Mounfield bass (1987 - October 1996)
Pete Gardner bass (1984 - 1987)
John Squire guitar (1984 - April 1996)
Alan Wren drums/vocals (1984 - 1995)
Aziz Ibrahim (July 1996 - October 1996)
2.2 Where are the Stone Roses from?
The orignal Stone Roses are said to be from Manchester, England.
2.3 Where did the name 'The Stone Roses' come from?
"The name was a contradiction. Something hard and something
pretty; something noisy but tuneful."
-John Squire
(quote taken from "And God Created Manchester," Champion)
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from SpencerKibblewhite@research.natpower.co.uk:
"Years ago Smash Hits( i think ) had a feature on SR and the
subject of their name came up, the article said that the band
started as The English Roses, but changed their name when they
had to tour europe."
2.4 How old are the band members?
The following was assembled from available information.
Please correct any errors:
Ian 20 February 1963
John 24 November 1962
Mani 16 November 1962
Reni 10 April 1964
Pete ?
Andy ?
Robbie ?
Nigel ?
Aziz ?
# 2.5 When and how did the Stone Roses break up?
The band officially called it quits on 29 October 1996 when bassist Mani left
to join Primal Scream.
# 2.6 Where are they now?
John Started a new band, presently going by the name 'Seahorses.'
Mani Joined Primal Scream as their bassist on 29 October 1996.
Ian, Robbie,
Nigel, & Aziz Apparently working together on a new project
Reni No definites, but supposedly putting together his own project.
Pete ?
Andy ?
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3. The Releases
3.1 What was the Stone Roses' first official release?
Their first official commercial release was the 12" single 'So
Young' with 'Tell Me' as the B-side. It was released on Thinline
Records with a catalog number of THIN 001. There were apparently
only 1200 of these printed.
3.2 Where can I hear 'So Young' and 'Tell Me' without spending a lot of
money on the single?
'So Young' and 'Tell Me' are now available on 'The Complete Stone
Roses' put out by Silvertone. They also appeared on a CD single
(ORE CD 37) available only with the Silvertone box set (SRBX 1).
3.3 How many albums have the Stone Roses released?
The Stone Roses have only released two (2) albums. They are 'The
Stone Roses' (1989) and 'Second Coming' (1994).
3.4 How many non-album singles have the Stone Roses released?
The Stone Roses have released 5 non-album singles. They are:
So Young / Tell Me
Sally Cinnamon / Here It Comes / All Across The Sands
Elephant Stone / Full Fathom Five / THTITW
Fools Gold / WTWIWF
One Love / Something's Burning
(Elephant Stone and Fools Gold later appeared on some releases
of the album TSR)
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4. The Record Labels
4.1 What record labels have the Stone Roses been with?
The Stone Roses have been with:
Thinline Records 1985 - ?
FM Revolver Records Ltd. 1987 - 1989
Silvertone Records 1989 - 1992
Geffen Records 1992 - 1996
4.2 What happened with FM Revolver?
The following excerpt is from an anonymous document tracing the
history of the Stone Roses from 1989 to 1991. It was found on
the internet in early 1993.
JANUARY 30 1989: The Stone Roses and their road manager Steve
Adge drive up to Wolverhampton from Rockfield Studios in South
Wales, where they are recording with John Leckie, and visit their
former record company,FM Revolver. Angry at the label's re-release
of their 1987 single 'Sally Cinnamon' - and specifically its
accompanying video - they throw blue and white paint over label
boss Paul Birch and his girlfriend Olivia Darling. Ian Brown puts
a brick through Birch's 25000 pound Mercedes. "The video was
insulting", Brown said at the time. "Blokes selling fruit, a few
pigeons, some black woman holding a baby, a picture of me on the
front of The Face, a few people in flares... So we went and
painted him."
4.3 What happened with Silvertone?
Apparently, when the Stone Roses signe with Silvertone, Compact
Discs were not widely used. Therefore, CD's were not mentioned
in the contract. When CD's got popular, Silvertone didn't want
to pay the Stone Roses for all the CD's it was selling. There
were also other problems with the contract. The Stone Roses were
released from their contract with Silvertone sometime in 1991.
They immediately signed with Geffen.
4.4 How is it that Silvertone are still releasing Stone Roses material?
Silvertone kept possession of all recordings done under them. They
seem to milking it for all it's worth.
4.5 How did Silvertone release non-Silvertone material on 'The
Complete Stone Roses?'
It is not certain. They either:
a. bought the rights to the Thinline and FM Revolver releases.
or
b. pay royalties to the songs' respective owners.
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5. The Music
5.1 Who wrote the Stone Roses' songs?
Except for 'Second Coming,' all the songs are wriiten by John and
Ian. 'Second Coming' was, with the exception of 3 songs, written
by John. 'Daybreak' was written by Brown/Mounfield/Squire/Wren.
'Begging You' was written by Squire/Brown and 'Daybreak' was
written by Ian.
5.2 Why do some of the songs sound like they're being played backwards?
The Stone Roses often come up with another track by playing one
of their existing tracks backward. Sometimes this is a remix.
The most obvious example is the 'Waterfall' / 'Don't Stop' duo on
the debut album. Here is a full listing of the backward tracks
(and their forward counterpart):
Waterfall <---> Don't Stop
Elephant Stone <---> Full Fathom Five
Where Angels Play <---> Simone
Made Of Stone <---> Guernica
# 5.3 What's the strange squeak in 'Elizabeth My Dear?'
It seems pretty much apparent that this is John's finger sliding up
the neck of his guitar.
5.4 Are there any songs that sample Stone Roses music?
'What's It All About' by Run DMC. (Fools Gold)
'Tunes Splits the Atom' by MC Tunes (I am The Resurrection)
(spencer)
5.5 Are there any compilations of Stone Roses material?
There are two (officially) to date:
a. 'Turns Into Stone' (1992) - a collection of B-sides from
the singles accompanying the debut album. Also includes
music from 'Elephant Stone,' 'Fools Gold,' and 'One Love'
singles.
b. 'The Complete Stone Roses' (1995) - a collection of many
Silvertone releases. Also includes So Young and Sally
Cinnamon and their respective B-sides. UK version had
bonus disc with 2 extra, unreleased tracks 'I'm Without
Shoes' and 'Groove.'
5.6 What do the songs mean?
The Stone Roses have always declined to explain what their lyrics
mean. And if they do, they often contradict themselves. They
seem to want the listener to interpret the lyrics as they hear
them. They will mean different things to different people.
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6. Other Compilations
6.1 What compilations do Stone Roses songs appear on?
The known (to the author) appearances are:
*1989
CMJ Presents - Certain Damage Volume 16 (CMJ-CD 016)
Track 13. She Bangs The Drums (3:42)
Beechwood Music - Indie Top 20 Vol VII (TTCD07)
Track 2. Made Of Stone (4.14)
*1995
GO! Discs / London - HELP! Warchild Tribute (422-828 682-2)
Track 3. Love Spreads (a live version)
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7. The Artwork
7.1 Who did the artwork that appears on the Stone Roses' releases?
John Squire, the Stone Roses' guitarist, created the artwork seen
on their albums and singles. Here is a listing of the artwork
(both painting and sculpture) used:
Waterfall TSR
Waterfall
One Love One Love
Bye Bye Badman TSR
Double Dorsal Doppleganger Fools Gold 9.53
Sugar I Wanna Be Adored
She Bangs The Drums
David and His 34 Misshapen Brothers TSLS
? Love Spreads
? Second Coming
? HELP! (Warchild Tribute)
? Elephant Stone
? Made Of Stone
? Begging You
7.2 Where can I get John's artwork.
No idea. If you find out, tell me. They apparently gave away
some of his artwork in a drawing in NME. (it was advertised on
the cover of the 'Top Of The World' issue)
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8. Writings
8.1 Are there any books on The Stone Roses?
There is a guitar tablature book for 'Second Coming' which uses
the same art as the aslbum cover. Eric Thompson had this to say
(taken from the mailing list):
It says:
Exclusive Distributors;
Music Sales Limited
8/9 Frith Street, London W1V 5TZ, England
Music Sales Pty Limited
120 Rothschild Avenue, Rosebery, NSW 2018, Australia
Order No. AM934736
ISBN: 0-7119-5457-7
Printed in the United Kingdom by Page Brothers - Norwich
last thing.... not authorized for sale in Us or Canada
8.2 Are there any book chapters on The Stone Roses?
Sarah Champion devotes chapter 15 to the Stone Roses in her 1990
book "And God Created Manchester."
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9. One Love Story
9.1 What is One Love Story?
One Love Story is a piece of literature that was written 'on' the
Stone Roses newsgroup during 1995. It is far too involved and
intricate to discuss here. Although it is debated whether it is
fact or fiction, it is a good read and is suggested if only for
the fact that it involves the Stone Roses. OLS can be found at
http://www.freestyle.com/roses/fans/ols/
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End Stone Roses FAQ v1.01
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